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Thursday, September 9, 2010

Links, and answering your questions about A.J.

I promise I’m going to write about things other than A.J. Green over the next 48 hours. But obviously the suspension is still fresh and sort of overtaking everything right now.

The issue is getting a lot of attention nationally, mainly because of the jersey-selling angle. It was the fifth story on ESPN's PTI, with Michael Wilbon and Tony Kornheiser both seeming to take issue more with the NCAA than Green.

A lot of writers have pointed out that while Green was penalized for selling his jersey for $1,000, his school and the NCAA benefit every day for selling jersey No. 8.

CNBC’s Darren Rovell reported that there are 17 different options for Green’s jersey on Georgia’s web site.’s Andy Staples has a column about the “double standard” in the situation.

The great Tony Barnhart isn't mad at A.J.

Darren Heitner at wonders who the agent was.

(By the way, the line on the game had not changed much overnight, at least according to South Carolina was favored by between 2-3 points, and now it’s 2.5-3.5. We’ll see if it inches up some more.)

Let me also address a few questions:

Seth - I'm curious to here how the team is handling this. The one thing I most fear out of this situation is the team to take on a defeatist attitude. … Have you been able to pick up any vibes coming from the team or coaching staff?

I’m not in the locker room, but I can say that the players we spoke to after Wednesday’s practice were clearly stunned. But I wouldn’t call it funeral-like. (A few players were joking around like normal.) Mark Richt also said he didn’t detect any difference in practice. Maybe, in a perverse way, all the off-field issues have prepared the locker room for something like this. Yeah, it’s a shock to the system to lose your top player, but it’s not like these guys haven’t woken up to bad headlines before.

Can you research the appeal process? How long does it take? Ole Miss got an answer rather quickly it seemed.

Masoli’s appeal went to a subcommittee that the NCAA described as being “comprised of representatives of NCAA member schools and conferences.” I suspect Green will go through the same process.

To me, his chances depend on two things we don’t know for sure yet: Was he honest during the process, and just how closely did he interact with an agent?

The reason he got four games was the dollar amount, which fit the NCAA’s guideline for that length of a suspension. So did Alabama’s Marcell Dareus, but his suspension was reduced because he convinced them there were other mitigating factors.

The one thing we know is Green will not play Saturday, since Richt said they didn’t expect anything on the appeal until next week.

So what was the "super-secret, nobody comment" bit that the NCAA imposed on UGA?

Good question.

How did they find out he sold the jersey?

Another good question. In a lot of cases where an agent is involved, another agent is often the source.

Did Green know the individual was an agent when he sold the jersey?

That would appear to be a key question in the appeal.

Any idea on the chances of the appeal being successful?

I wouldn’t be optimistic. A bit less than 50-50 it gets knocked down to three games, about 25 percent it gets knocked down to two.

Why can’t the name of the agent be revealed?

I suspect the NCAA doesn’t release it for legal reasons. If someone in the media feel confident enough to print it, they will.

This is going to be like striking down Obi Wan Kenobi. The team will rally around this and smash the Cocks into the dirt.

This isn’t a question, and I’m not necessarily agreeing, but I like the reference and the metaphor.


PantherDawg said...

Glad I read these, if only for the Star Wars reference.

I understand the points some people have made about how unfair it is for the school to make money off his jersey but AJ can't. Still, this isn't an excuse; the rules governing that players can't make money from NCAA football are by no means new. It's the same reason that there are no player names in the NCAA games every year. He knew better, regardless of whether it was an agent or not.

Anonymous said...

Seth, can you elaborate on the term "an individual who meets the organization’s definition of an agent"?

Are they talking about an agent? Or something else?

Additionally, how much knowledge is required by AJ? If it's an agent, but he doesn't know its an agent, type deal.

Anonymous said...

Also, Seth, I can't find any updates on the possible Cackalackky suspensions (re: Hotelgate). Are we expecting a shoe to also drop on the Gamecocks before game time? And, if so, what are the likely scenarios there? As I understand it, anywhere from 3 to 8 starters may be suspended. If the federales hit UGA but not SC, it's gonna get ugly. If they hit both teams, the betting line will be off.

Any factual updates or sheer speculations welcomed.

Watson said...


just a few minor quibbles. On rovell's twitter account, you can click on the time of the tweet and it gives you a direct link to the tweet you referenced regarding UGA's sale of Green's jerseys.

secondly, when you retweet ppl on twitter can you use RT in front of the user that you are mentioning. it's hard to read without the rt in there.

thanks and keep up the good work

IveyLeaguer said...

I don't buy the Barnhart premise at all. That is is somehow unfair for the college player not to get a financial return from proceeds the college makes because he has made some contribution.

Horse manure. There is no injustice and there never has been. Schools have made money (or at least tried) on football since the 1800's. This so-called 'injustice' exists primarily in the postmodern mindset of media types and those they influence.

Players work hard to contribute, but they also enjoy playing football and the intangible benefits that come along with it. The rules allow for players like A.J.Green to receive tangible benefits in the neighborhood of $150,000 to $250,000 already, and still preserve amateurism. And a college degree worth a lot more than that to boot.

There is no injustice. Only flawed, postmodern intellectualism.

A.J.Green is getting what he deserves. And his coaches, teammates, and the rest of us must help him pay. That's the way it should be. The integrity of the game must be preserved at any cost.

Dan said...

I think the NCAA may regret giving AJ such a severe penalty. I believe they will drop it back to 2 games because I haven't read ANYONE defending the 4 games. It really has started a good discussion on the fact that non profit institutions are profiting off these players. Tony Barnhart has it right-leave the names off the jerseys the universities sell.

Anonymous said...

There is a ton of negative on this, but the only one positive is that the offense and the offensive gameplan benefit from knowing he is out more than the defense benefits. IMO.
Bobo and Richt can now look at some creative ways to move the chains with more TE sets, etc. With a RS Fresh QB, having the 3 extra days to prepare without AJ is rather huge.

The General said...

Seth, I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt because you are new to the dawg beat, but why do you answer so many of these questions with, "That's a good question"?

Why aren't you the intrepid reporter out there digging to become, as you say, confident enough to find out and print the answers?

"I suspect Green will go through the same [appeal] process [as Masoli]."

"I suspect the NCAA doesn’t release [the jersey collector's name] for legal reasons."

Suspect? Why can't you find out?

If priorities were lined up right, the names of these scumbags would be the headlines, and the names of the athletes would be kept secret, not unlike how the names of sexual assault victims are protected in the press. They could easily hold the kids out for their suspensions and say they violated some unspecified rule.

The fact that the agents go unpunished and even their identities go unrevealed is simply unimaginable to me. You and the rest of the media should be dumping salt on these slugs. Maybe the serpentine tempters would feel a little deterrence if there were SOME possible punishment or at least a possibility that their utter lack of scruples will be revealed to the public. Right now, it's open season, and I can't understand how the NCAA, the NFL, and perhaps worst of all, the media can let this go on without telling us their names.

CSA said...

Seth, can you tell our guys to get their heads back into the game and focus on the task at hand: beating South Carolina. It's not gonna do any good to cry over spilled milk, so these boys just need to get their game plan ready for Saturday. The officials will go through the appeal process, but this should be the #2 issue behind BEATING SOUTH CACKALACKY!

Anonymous said...

Seth, can you please stop calling him an agent? The buyer was a collectibles dealer. Simply calling him "an agent" grossly misstates the case.

ActuaryDawg said...

One of the funniest new stories I've ever read regarding a rival:

One has to ponder why Dooley is observing his team's shower habits.

Anonymous said...

Seth, not to add on more clarification questions, but can you explain why Dareus got his suspension reduced to 2, but why the chances of AJ getting his reduced to 2 is 25%? Wouldn't being duped into selling your jersey to an "agent" count as "mitigating factors?" I guess I am not following your logic, seeing how Dareus went to Miami twice and owed over $700 more dollars than AJ.

Beak said...

here's the guy

Anonymous said...

Thanks Beak,

Made it much easier to find this