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Friday, May 28, 2010

Long Awaited, Much-Anticipated, Double-Stuffed, Super Deluxe, Director's Cut, Critereon Collection Mailbag... Part I

You ask, I answer. Let's get to it...

JLove writes: whats up on that mailbag mr. hale?

Mailbag? Come on, J Love. I thought you were a real fan. This blog isn't about just giving you answers to intriguing mysteries! It's about the characters! You don't really want me to give you all the answers, right? Some mysteries just have to go unsolved, and you need to remember I never promised to answer every question. Sure, I led you to believe that all these issues were really important. And yes, you spent hours and days and weeks discussing possible outcomes. But it was never my job to provide you with a pay-off that made any sense. It's about the journey of asking the questions, not the solutions of a true finale-like mailbag. You need to just be happy with some "Get to Know" posts and not worry about why Clint Boling was in the mental hospital with Hurley or how it is that Jon Fabris could turn into the smoke monster.

And yes, I'll be making numerous other snide allusions to "Lost" in the next few thousand words…

Rob writes: Multiple times a day I go to your blog. Each time, for a majority of the last couple weeks, I’ve been saddened to see no new content. Is this just a confluence of events, the doldrums of off season plus the end of the UGA Spring semester, leading to the limited writing?

A "confluence of events" is probably a good way of putting it, Rob.

First off, I didn't really take much down time last year, and the result was that I was utterly exhausted by the end of football season. So I'm trying to conserve a bit of energy this offseason so we're running at full speed by the time SEC Media Days gets started in July.

Secondly, we have been limited in terms of player availability since the end of spring practice. The only real interview opportunities we've had have come with the coaches at the Bulldog Club meetings, so it's been tough to get quotes or background for new material. And while I could try to recycle some stuff just for the sake of content, I'm not real excited about doing that. But I do have a few projects in the works that will hopefully be well worth the wait in the coming weeks.

Third, I started a beer card at Pauley's downtown. If I drink 100 different beers, I get a free t-shirt. And I could really use a t-shirt.

In any case, I'm hoping to post 10-12 times a week going forward, assuming there's enough to write about, with even more coming next week with SEC Meetings in Destin kicking off.

Oh, and also, feel free to pop a bottle of your finest sparking beverage today to celebrate this mailbag, which as fate would have it is... my 2,000th post! I feel like that should get me a free t-shirt, too.

(And don't worry... I already know what my final post will be, so all of this will definitely make sense when we get to the finale. Trust me, it all matters.)

Harin writes: My fiance is a huge softball fan and wants to go tot he CWS if her DePaul blue demons and the lady dawgs make it...she was asking why you aren't giving them any love cause she loves your blog too

Well, I could give you the Pauley's beer excuse again, but the truth is I just didn't make it over to cover them much. Super-regionals kick off today, however, so I'll see what I can do about giving the softball team a bit more love this weekend.

Barton writes: I was wondering what you think about conference expansions? I know the Big Ten is talking about expanding to 16 teams. If that occurs, the SEC will likely expand also. My actual question is who will the SEC target if an expansion happens within the next 5-10 years? (FSU and Miami) or (Texas and Oklahoma)

Geographically FSU and Miami seem to make the most sense. I also heard that if Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12, Texas A&M and Oklahoma State would follow. Just curious to see what you think and look forward to the mailbag.

My best guess is that the SEC won't expand unless it has to, and for now at least, I'm not inclined to think that the huge landscape-altering changes that have been discussed will become a reality. That said, if Texas essentially becomes a free agent, I don't see how the SEC doesn't at least explore the idea of bringing the 'Horns in. Texas has access to a huge and lucrative market that would expand the current SEC footprint and also fields competitive teams across numerous sports. So there's a lot of upside to considering the idea.

As for other teams, the obvious responses have been Clemson, Florida State, Miami and Georgia Tech. I'd also figure that, wherever Texas goes, A&M would follow. I suppose it's also possible teams like North Carolina and Virginia Tech could be in play. But all of that is fodder for water-cooler discussion more than a reality for the near future. And if I had a vote, I'd stick with things the way they are.

Chuck writes: I am trying to find out what’s happened to the Georgia baseball team!?! This was supposed to be a good season, and it seems to have unraveled badly.

Two major issues for the Diamond Dogs this year -- pitching and youth. The latter was a problem in terms of fielding a consistent lineup this season, particularly when injuries added up early in the season. But in the long run, it might have been a good trial by fire for a group of guys who will be back with a lot more experience next season. The pitching, however, is a real concern. Georgia's team ERA for the season was 8.51 -- more than a run-and-a-half behind the next-worst team (Mississippi State at 6.92) and nearly two full runs worse than the all-time low point in Bulldogs' history. What's worse is that virtually none of Georgia's younger pitchers showed significant progress as the year went on. What was a giant black hole for Georgia this season is going to be a huge question mark again next year, and allowing eight-and-a-half runs a game isn't going to get it done no matter how good the offense is.

John F. writes: Let me first say that I don't think using A.J. Green as a punt returner is a good idea. But, I got to thinking why not? The biggest reason is risk of injury, but how often does a returner actually get hurt on punt returns? I can only think of one in recent memory, Mikey Henderson sustained a concussion in the Sugar Bowl against Hawaii from a personal foul. Mikey was a much smaller guy than A.J., so I don't think a concussion is likely for A.J., but who knows. The point is, I hear a lot of people say it is very risky, but I don't hear many reports of injuries of punt returners. But that may be just because I haven't been listening. Besides, Rambo and Boykin are pretty valuable to the team as well.

I'm inclined to agree, but I still don't think using Green as a returner is such a hot idea. It's really an issue of risk-reward. Are the chances particularly high that A.J. will get hurt returning a punt? No. But the chances that his punt-return skills will be the difference in many games isn't particularly high either. And while A.J. is a remarkable athlete, there are other quick, elusive guys on the team who aren't as important in their offensive or defensive roles as A.J. is. Add to that the fact that Green has been banged up both of his first two seasons in Athens, and I just don't see how the case can be made that it's a good idea to put him out there regularly. Now, if you wanted to use him in "must win" situations, like the field-goal block against Arizona State, for example, then I'm all for that.

Jarrett writes: I read your first article about the Facebook page when it first came out. I got the exact impression that you meant when you wrote it. I understood that it had nothing to do with a divide in the locker room and that it was just some of Mett's friends offering condolences and support to someone who is obviously very down. Just wanted to let you know that not everyone took it the wrong way.

Yup, between the Facebook story and my "bias" for Aaron Murray and my stoking the flames under Mark Richt's hot seat… I've been a real jackass this offseason. On the upside, at least I haven't written anything controversial about the softball team.

Trumely writes: Dawg Chat - "David Hale, That guy is all business all the time." How do you feel about that Dave?

I feel like it's time for me to build a bed under my desk for naps, a la George Costanza.

Byron writes: Hey David, was wondering if you could find out why the club tour doesn't come to Jacksonville anymore.

I talked to Claude Felton in the sports information office about this. He said that visiting Jacksonville hasn't been abandoned, but that the plans for now are to focus on the primary locales within the state -- Macon, Augusta, Atlanta, Columbus, Savannah -- then rotate other cities each year. This year the tour hit Statesboro. Last year, I think there was an appearance in South Carolina. Jacksonville will be back on the docket eventually, too.

Stuart writes: Do you know if CMR ever plans on doing a bulldog club outside the south? Say like Los Angeles?

Now this might be a bit tougher. I'd imagine if a visit like this could be fit in around another rationale for being in the area, sure. But the problem is that there are a ton of other responsibilities on Richt's plate during the offseason, and a major trip like this would be far more time consuming than a few hours in Macon, for example. The other aspect, too, is that L.A. residents might make it out to Athens for one or two games a year. The in-state fans are far more likely to make visiting Sanford Stadium (or Stegeman) a routine.

Wooly Butts writes: Is the idea to cross-train Gamble for both jobs? To take a starting ILB and make him a backup OLB, or start him at OLB in front of Washington? I assume that Dowtin will now start with Dent at ILB? Are Robinson and Gilliard solid 2nd-team ILBs, with time available for Samuel (if he doesn't RS) and Hebron or incoming freshmen?

I'll be interested to see how they end up using Gamble this fall, and my bet is that a lot of that decision will come down to how some of the freshmen -- like Demetre Baker and T.J. Stripling -- perform in fall camp. I think Gamble is probably more valuable at ILB, where his experience and leadership are a bigger part of the on-field responsibilities of the position. But in terms of depth, obviously the bigger need for UGA in the short term is at OLB. In talking to DG, he's happy playing both positions, and he said he's comfortable moving back and forth if it keeps him on the field more. So perhaps that will be how things end up.

Alan writes: How about a post that compares UGA football players to LOST characters. It would provide intrigue, frustration for non-losties, and transvestitism. All the makings of a Pulitzer if you ask me.

Well, I suppose four straight years out of the SEC title game feels a bit like purgatory, right? And perhaps Todd Grantham is the perfect "candidate" to turn the light back on… whatever the heck that means. But I'm just not sure I have the energy to do this anymore.

Steve writes: just read your getting to know Demetre Bake feature and was wondering how big he is these days. When he won shot and discuss I read somewhere that he was 6-2 but I'm pretty positive that's a generous height for him. Any help would be appreciated; glad you're back and blogging after a slow few days.

Self-reported numbers from Mr. Baker is 6-foot-1 and 213 pounds. As a point of comparison, Rennie was 5-10, 225.

Meansonny writes: A couple of quick questions on some points made anonymously... Who are the 4 Other juniors that will be leaving the Bulldawgs after the 2010 season? I'm sure someone might leave with AJ. But there's a good chance that it only follows a great performance this season. If we get 4 other Juniors to go Pro, I like our chances in the East next year

Well, given the relative levels of lucidity displayed by Mr. Anonymous from time to time, I'm at a loss to tell you which four juniors he might have had in mind. But just for fun, let's look at Georgia's top draft-eligible underclassmen and handicap their NFL prospects for 2011, from most likely to depart to least likely.

A.J. Green. He'll be missed.

Justin Houston. If he hadn't missed three games last year, he likely would have led the SEC in sacks while playing on a mediocre-at-best defense. This year, he's playing OLB in a blitz-happy scheme with a full 12-game slate and no suspension awaiting him. Something tells me he might be NFL bound sooner than later.

Cordy Glenn. He's become one of the best guards in the SEC and received rave reviews for how much he improved this spring (with Mike Bobo saying Glenn had the best spring of anyone on the offense, despite having no back-up pushing him for playing time). If the line comes together this year the way many expect, Glenn could be joining Clint Boling near the top of some NFL teams' draft boards.

Brandon Boykin. Excelled as a returner last year, has NFL-level skill set and was solid in his first year as a starter despite Georgia's disastrous secondary. If Scott Lakatos is successful in helping him take that next step and refine his game, Boykin could easily be NFL ready in 2011.

Ben Jones. Probably not prototypical NFL size, but he sure has the prototypical NFL approach. None of the first four guys would surprise me if they entered the draft in 2011. This one probably would, but it's not completely out of the question.

Caleb King. If he's healthy and playing a lot, he could certainly turn some heads of NFL scouts. Of course, if he's healthy and playing enough, would he want to leave? Again, I'd doubt this one would happen, but it's not impossible.

Aron White. He's a versatile athlete who has made steady progress and is at a crowded position where he's already been (at least nominally) passed by a younger player on the depth chart. So you could envision a scenario in which he goes to the NFL early. But he's also not the prototypical NFL tight end by any means, and he's a super smart kid who clearly understands the value of getting his degree. I'd be very surprised if this happened.

Bacarri Rambo, Nick Williams, Jakar Hamilton, Marcus Dowtin, Cornelius Washington, DeAngelo Tyson. This group is essentially all in the same boat. Each has an NFL skill set and would be a player you'd figure will get drafted whenever they move on from Georgia. All will be draft eligible at the conclusion of the 2010 season, should they choose to depart. But none have been a full-time starter before, and each has a lot to prove. There's a decent chance that one or more will do just that this season and find their NFL prospects bright by December, but it's anyone's guess as to who that might be. Of course, this should also be a nice little reminder of how much potential there is on Georgia's D this year. Six guys who didn't start last season that all have a reasonable shot of playing in the NFL. That's a lot to like.

ECDawg writes: Andy Staples noted today that SEC teams control local TV rights and that Florida receives $10 million/year from Fox Sports. How much does UGA get for local rights?

There's not an easy apples-to-apples comparison here, since Florida's SunSports deal is a good bit different in its structure than Georgia's. The closest comparison I could give you is the Dawgs' deal with ISP Sports, which handles marketing, Internet, radio and a mess of other things, too. That deal, signed prior to last season, is for eight years at $92 million.

Dawgjammin writes: how much better is the press coverage AJ is facing in practice/scrimages this spring and the early part of fall going to make him? You gotta think he hasn't faced that in practice his first two years…

He certainly seems to think it's going to make him better, and I think it's been reciprocal. A.J.'s getting to see more press coverage in practice, which will help him on game day with the more physical opponents he'll go up against. Meanwhile, Georgia's corners are getting a taste of what it's like to press the best receiver in the country during practice. If they can slow A.J. down on a Tuesday, there aren't many receivers who will have success against them on Saturday.

Quantoid Dawg writes: Given a population of approximately 200 college males and a time span of 3.2 years, what is the number of incidents we should expect? As you correctly observe, one way to measure this is against the student population as a whole. Without some base line of a reasonable expectation, the discussion is an only argument about perceptions.

There was a lot more to Quantoid's question about Georgia's recent arrest record, but for the purposes of space, I think this summarizes his basic inquiry pretty well. The idea is that there are obvious differences in how discipline is handled at other schools, both in-house and by the local police force. So the best point of comparison is between the UGA football team and Athens Clarke County as a whole. Luckily, our pal Jim F. did some of this research.

For Jim's research, he estimated that about 160 different players had come through Georgia since 2007, including walk-ons. During that time span, as I noted in my post on the subject last month, there were 37 "incidents." Since then, two more arrests occurred, but several of the "incidents" I noted originally didn't result in arrests. So let's use 32 as our number of total arrests since 2007 for Georgia. That means that roughly 20 percent of all football players during that span have found themselves in some sort of off-field legal trouble.*

(*Note, some players have been arrested multiple times, so while that average is correct, the total number of players involved in incidents is actually lower.)

As Jim found out, the overall numbers for ACC in general since that span are far lower. There have been 6,471 arrests in ACC since 2007, according to FBI crime stats. Divide that into the population, which is estimated at 104,313, and you have a crime average of 6.2 percent -- or roughly one-third of the rate of football players.

Just in terms of violent crimes, the rate in ACC is roughly 0.4 percent, with a total of 387 incidents reported. Among Georgia players, I'd count six (Zach Mettenberger's recent guilty plea in Remerton, two incidents by Montez Robinson, Michael Lemon's fight, Jeremy Lomax's gun charge and assault charges against former walk-on Tripp Taylor). That's a rate of 3.7 percent -- or roughly 10 times the ACC average.

Now, with that context, is it fair to say there's a real problem with behavior on Georgia's football team?

I probably wouldn't argue much if you said there was. But there are mitigating factors here, too. For one, it's nearly impossible to simulate the spotlight that football players are under, and those stats don't measure criminal activity, but rather the rate people are caught and charged with criminal activity. Secondly, ACC stats include a wide variety of demographics, while the football team is far more specific. Odds are the large number of retirees in ACC aren't going out on the town too often, and even if they do, there's no risk of them getting charged with underage consumption. But the highest rate of crime tends to be among 18 to 25-year-olds, which just so happens to fit with the demographic make-up of the football team.

There are no doubt numerous other factors to consider, too, so even these numbers don't help to provide true context. But I think it does show that, regardless of the explanations or justifications, Georgia's image problem in this regard is largely self-created, and it is something that needs to be addressed and resolved rather than simply explained.

Anonymous writes: Why does attrition hit UGA so much harder than some other SEC schools like UF and UA? What can UGA do to be be better prepared for attrition (injuries and descipline)? The lack of for sight seems negligent. Whether the negligence is just stupidty or a holier than thou attitude is what I can't figure out. What is your opinion?

Given some of the problems of this year -- particularly at QB and OLB -- I can understand this thought process, but I'm not sure the evidence really backs it up. Yes, losing Mettenberger and Robinson have left two positions pretty thin for Georgia. And yes, a few years back there was a significant issue with depth on the O line and at tight end. But the players who left from those positions weren't likely guys who would have made an impact -- and none did at other schools after leaving UGA.

So my guess is, attrition hasn't really hurt Georgia as much as you might think, although the lack of numbers at some position has been a problem.

Part of that problem is likely about recruiting numbers in general, and Georgia has brought in significantly fewer players per year of late than many of their SEC counterparts. Auburn, for example, has landed nearly 30 signees per year during the past five years, while Georgia's number is closer to about 21. Mark Richt also makes a point of never removing a player from scholarship for reasons like underperformance or injuries, so there are a handful of players each year who just aren't likely to make an impact on the field under any circumstances.

Having said all that, Georgia is hardly the only team to go through some hard times in terms of attrition. As Wes Rucker told me during our Two-A-Days interviews, Tennessee will be going to bat this season with only about 70 scholarship players.

Jim F. writes: TV had 3 maybe 4 long series end this month (both season and series ending): Lost, L&O, 24 and if you count Simon leaving Idol then 4 - your grades plz?!?!

First off, I've never watched an episode of "American Idol." I watched roughly three minutes of the show its first season and that's three minutes of my life I'll never get back. I can only assume that Simon's goodbye will have little impact on my daily life.

As for "Lost"… I'll get to that in a bit.

I gave up on "24" this season, and with the talks of a "24" movie, I was less inclined to tune in for the grand finale of the show. Still, I have a soft spot for the show, which definitely had its highlights and low-lights over the years. Terri's amnesia and Kim's run-in with the cougar will always be bad-TV highlights for me, but I'd also argue that no show has ever done action on the small screen quite as well as "24" did. My guess is that one day, another show will come along using "24" as its archetype and do an even better job of progressing the genre, and that the impact of "24" will live for a long time. As it should.

Perhaps the most interesting of the shows you mentioned, however, is "Law & Order." You can make a good case for the significant impact "Idol," "Lost" and "24" have had on television, but "L&O" was around far longer and yet… I'm not sure what its impact was. It never really tried to be anything other than a self-contained legal drama that rarely broke any barriers but always managed to appeal to the masses without being awful (which, if you watch most TV dramas, is a very difficult thing to do).

For me personally, I'll always have fond memories of L&O because it got me through what was probably the most difficult time in my life. After college, I had absolutely zero going on. I was unemployed, living in Delaware, utterly miserable and perpetually broke. What I did have was an intimate knowledge of how to find a L&O rerun on TV at virtually any time of day.* I believe my record was 14 hours of L&O spread over four channels in the same day -- and this didn't include any of TNT's L&O marathons. The show was so easily digestible yet still intrinsically entertaining that it made for great time-killing fare. And at that point in my life, killing time was all I had to do.

(* Side note on what I'll remember most about those days: I know everyone has their vivid memories of 9/11… part of mine was how long it took me to actually figure out what was going on because I was so completely exhausted when my mom called me and told me to turn on the TV. I'd stayed up until almost 7 a.m. the night before watching L&O reruns on A&E and TNT and had only been asleep for about 90 minutes when she called. The whole thing would have been utterly surreal under any circumstances, but my L&O- induced semi-coma made it all that much more unbelievable. And the funny thing was, I spent much of the next few days doing nothing but watching the news coverage, as most people did. But when I needed a break, when I couldn't watch any more of the realities of 9/11, I was really glad there were still reruns of L&O on at all times to take my mind off it.)

Anyway, as one final fond farewell to L&O, I'll ask you guys this question: What's your Law & Order dream cast? I'd probably go with Adam/McCoy/Claire on the legal side and Van Buren/Logan/Briscoe on the cops side.

Castleberry writes: I noticed Samuel pretty far down at LB. Any chance he redshirts?

Part of Samuel's low slot on the depth chart was that he missed the final week of the spring with a concussion. Part of it, too, is that I don't think the coaches have much of an idea on how he'll fit this year.

On one hand, Samuel has a ton of talent. That's no secret. But his problem -- at least for right now -- at linebacker is just what it was at running back. He lacks the basic natural instincts he needs to play wide open and use his talent to its fullest.

“I just think the key and diagnose of blocking schemes," Grantham said about where Samuel needs the most work. "He has a feel for where the ball’s going, but is it a downhill run? Is it a wide play? I just think it’s more the recognition of the blocks and where do I need to fit based on the recognition of the call. That’s based on experience, but the guy was in here after meetings watching tape trying to get ready because he wanted to get better. If our guys will do that and work to improve, I think we’ll be fine.”

Both Grantham and Richt have been pretty cautious about setting any sort of bar of expectation for Samuel, and my guess is at this point, they expect a redshirt. But with as much talent as he has, and as little experienced depth as there is at any LB position, that could easily change this fall.

Greg writes: I saw on that Mettenberger had plead guilty to two misdemeanor counts of sexual battery. Where do you think Mett will end up? Apparently he is going to be visiting Louisville and Cincinatti. Is he free to sign anywhere or is he limited to a list of schools approved by Georgia?

Mettenberger is free to sign anywhere he wants to, and a number of schools have been reported to have interest. I know he visited Cincinnati, but I'm not sure what other options have been out there. UGASports reported a potential JuCo destination, which might make some sense in allowing him to get some PT under his belt and rebuild his image a bit, which could open up more doors down the road. I tried contacting Mett, but he didn't return my calls.

Billy writes: In light of Mettenberger's guilty plea, do you think he would have been booted from the team, if he had been totally honest and repentant with Richt in the first place?

This is impossible to say, and I highly doubt either Richt or Mettenberger will ever give us a straight answer. But I think it's safe to say this decision was as much about sending a message as it was about punishment for Mett. Although, even if that wasn't the case, I think the punishment was probably appropriate.

MauiDawg writes: we are all hungry for a SEC title game and NC...but you don't ax one of the highest winning percentage coaches in the nation and one of the best representatives of a major football program. He's making some important changes now..granted he should have done it 2 years ago..but he's done it now... So just chill out man and have faith and some loyalty in the guy. Otherwise, you'd be a perfect fan at Auburn or'd get along great with their football admin.

Here's the thing about the "hot seat" questions… what SEC coach isn't on the hot seat to some extent? The fact of the matter is, in this league, the expectations are always high, and only one team can win a championship each year. That means 11 other coaches fell short of the ultimate goal and have something to prove the next season, and Richt is no different.

What makes Richt's seat a slight bit warmer than some others is a combination of last year's failures and the length of his tenure. Heck, Auburn and Georgia finished roughly the same last season, and Georgia won their head-to-head matchup. Yet Richt is supposedly in trouble, but Gene Chizik apparently won over fans? It's all about perspective, and I'm willing to bet -- as MauiDawg points out -- no Georgia fan would be thrilled about dumping Richt to get a guy like Chizik.

Yes, Richt needs a better on-field performance in 2010 if he wants this talk to disappear next season. But there's virtually no way he goes anywhere unless it's his decision, and that's probably a good thing because the options for finding a suitable replacement would be few and far between. And really, that's the mistake so many reactionary fans make. It's easy to want change, but that only works if you have a better alternative. All due respect to Will Muschamp or Kirby Smart, but they haven't accomplished a fraction of what Richt has.

Anonymous writes: It is time for Mark Richt to go. Anyone who defends him and says it is the players forgets he selected the players. He cannot win big games against worthy opponents and continues to have player issues. I have been a fan of GA football since 1975 and this program is at absolute bottom. What a joke.

First off, I'm glad to know that Anonymous has made a good recovery from the coma he was apparently in from 1993 through 1996.

Secondly, this brings us to the best suggestion we've had on the blog in a while...

Kathleen writes: I think the new troll on your board should create a drinking game for us... like every time he mentions Knowshon being redshirted. Drink! Or Washaun not playing until the fifth game! Or when he addresses you by name, David Hale.

If I had only instituted this policy a week ago, I'd be done with my beer card already. But I love the idea, so everyone should probably head to their nearest purveyor of malted hops and barley and stock up for the remainder of the offseason.

And yes, I know I haven't written about "Lost" yet… it's coming in the second half of the mailbag on Monday. Stay tuned… the answers are coming. Or perhaps we're all just in purgatory and this was all meaningless.


Andy said...

David, I hope you are not one of these Lost fans who think they were dead the whole time. I dont understand people with that theory at all, as it was pretty explicit that wasn't the case. And for the record, while I recognize some fans weren't happy about the lack of answers, I personally loved the finale.

David Hale said...

Nah, not dead on the island. But they were dead the whole time in the flash sideways, which to me meant WAY too much time was spent in that world this season. But that's not that high up on my list of complaints. Again, I'll write about it in Part 2 of the mailbag.

Carter said...

Wasn't Jeremy Lomax's gun charge dropped because the cop didn't know the law?

David Hale said...

Carter -- Yes, it was, but the stats for both the team and the city were "arrests" not convictions, so I wanted to keep it apples to apples as much as possible. Presumably a number of the arrests of non-football players also were on charges later dropped, but I didn't have that information to go on. In my original post on UGA arrests, I did make that clarification though.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for all you do David! Love the Blog. Have a great weekend.

Randy in Macon

P.S. too lazy to get a google account.

Carter said...

You're right, Dave. I should have considered that before posting. Ironically, I am currently deep in a Wire season 3 marathon where Burrell and the other commanders are being grilled about crime stats by Rawls.

Have a fun Memorial Day, fellas.

Carter said...

Derp. Substitute Colvin for Burrell. My brain is already on holiday mode.

Joeski said...

Hm. L&O "dream team?" Prolly Green/Lupo/Van Buren (although I did like Brisco/Noth/VB a lot as well) with McCoy/Rubirosa/Branch prosecuting.

It's kind of funny that you should mention the ubiquity of the L&O shows. I had surgery about 6 weeks ago and was stuck on the coach for pretty much a week straight while recovering. I watched so much L&O or SVU, or CI that I coined "Rule #86- the intransitive property of Law and Order: On a TV service providing more than 200 channels, there will be at least one channel showing some version of Law and Order at any given time."

David Hale said...

I'm on ep 9 of s5 on my first full rewatch of the show. I don't want it to end. Also, Rawls' lines from the first two seasons are so much funnier when you have the knowledge of him in the gay club ahead of time.

Ben Dukes said...

Just a quick thought, David...

The population of UGA is roughly 33,000, right? Well, with the arrest totals of 6400...doesn't that roughly work out to 1/5, or 20%. Now, I know we don't have the demographic information to say that all of the ACC arrests were of STUDENTS.

But, by your own admission, the 32 "incidents" by football players weren't all arrests, either.

There's no math that is going to be 100% accurate on this without a great deal more digging, but I struggle to believe that the entire population of Athens is a fair comparison to the 18-22 year old football players.

At the very least, let's find out the demographic information of arrests of 18-22 year olds in ACC and then compare that to the population of 18-22 year olds. Then, let's compare that to the actual ARRESTS against football players. Those numbers would likely be quite different.

Oh, and by the record, by "let's"...I mean, "LET Somone other then myself".

Alan said...

Did you just use the word "funny" while talking about 9/11? If only you'd said that on Between Two Ferns.

Freddie Prince, Sr. said...

Congrats on 2,000... Only 1,000 more and you're a lock for the HOF.

Here's to you, DH -- may the economy continue to spiral downward, preventing a major market from having the capital to snatch you away from us. (No offense to your career... Just being selfish)

Keep fighting the good fight, Big Cat. You're the James Joyce of blogging.

Carter said...

Ep9 s5 is a tearjerker. Dukie breaks my heart every time. Since The Wire has gone off the air, a lot less "dust" gets in my eyes while watching TV.

Barton said...


Thanks for the response regarding "conference expansions." I agree with you when you said, "And if I had a vote, I'd stick with things the way they are." I was only curious because ESPN was making a big deal about it for a couple of weeks and wanted to get your opinion. Thanks for the insight. In my opinion a conference expansion would hurt the Dawgs because the league would be more competitive and the Dawgs are already struggling to keep up with Florida and Alabama. It would be even worse if we had to compete with Miami, Florida St, or Texas year in and year out.

Also, I don't know if you saw this article about coaches on the hot seat.;headlines. Richt's rating is quite interesting. I really like having Richt as our head coach and do not think there is anyway he is going anywhere because of his record and relationship with the Athletic Department and UGA Administration. If I had to use the scale sportsline used, I would put him as a 1.5-2 rating, unless of course the team has a losing record next year. Only then do I think this "Richt hot seat" argument has any legitimacy.

Jack of All Fails said...

I think it's interesting that in the piece Tim Tucker wrote for today, where Damon Evans says we "must do better" next year, etc., there is no mention or even a hint in the quotes from Evans that Richt is specifically under any kind of heightened scrutiny or on the "hot seat."

Dawgfan17 said...

"All due respect to Will Muschamp or Kirby Smart, but they haven't accomplished a fraction of what Richt has."
Neither one of them has even come close to doing what he did as an assistant coach at FSU. Two national titles, two Heisman winners, part of his team being in the top 5 for 14 straight years, and FSU has fallen on hard times since he left. Do you think Bama or Texas would fall as far as FSU has if Smart or Muschamp left?

South FL Dawg said...

I think for the rate of player arrests you just divide the number of "player years" by "incidents." For example, assume we're looking at a 4 year period - in year 1 there are 85 players on the team, in year 2 there are 90, in year 3 there are 95, and in year 4 there are 100. That's a total of 370 "player years." Then if you have 32 incidents over those 4 years, you divide 370 by 32 - the result is 11.56 "incidents per player years." Obviously a player that's on the team several years is counted as many times as he's on the team. This way if you're comparing to a different length of period you can make a fair comparison...for example let's say we have a 2 year period consisting of 85 players with 7 incidents and 84 players with 6 incidents...this is a rate of 169/13 = 13 incidents per player years. We can say this 2 year period is worse than the 4 year period because 13 is higher than 11.56.

If you want to compare against the total student population you have to add the number of students each year, and divide that by the number of incidents that those students had. Then you can say how much better/worse your athletes are as compared to the general student population.

I know you're into tracking stats so there you go, dig in!

South FL Dawg said...

Oh sorry typo above....the product of player years divided by incidents is the rate of "player years per incident" and not vice versa.

Anonymous said...

Caleb King leaving for NFL Draft.

Funny as hell David Hale.

Uh, no sir, he is not 1 of my 4 Juniors and 14 seniors all leaving after this season



Timmy Tebow

Urban Meyer stepson.

Greek tebowiĆ³s, meaning the "Anointed One"

Hebrew-derived "Messiah".

Jorts - a pair of jeans cut off at the knee to imitate shorts - are a staple of modern collegiate football for Florida Crocodiles’ fans.

The Georgia Bulldogs beat the Florida Crocodiles MORE in football WITH Timmy Tebow than we did before him in the Coach Richt Era.

1-4 UGA over Florida without Timmy Tebow Coach Richt Era

1-3 UGA over Florida with Timmy Tebow Coach Richt Era.

Florida # 2 All-Time Standings Fulmer Cup

Alabama # 4 All-Time Standings Fulmer Cup

Georgia # 5 All-Time Standings Fulmer Cup

Tennessee is only # 13 All-Time Standings Fulmer Cup

Hey, we are Top 5 in the Nation in football at something May 28, 2010.

Fulmer Cup Started 2006.

We actually are better this year; we are # 6 Fulmer Cup Standings 2010 Season.


Stay tuned.

Nearest SEC competitor to # 1 SEC UGA is drum roll now Florida Crocodiles in 16th place 2010 Season to-date tied with the infamous Tennessee vols.

9th place finish for Georgia 2006 (regular season did not count)

9th place finish for Georgia 2007 (regular season did not count)

7th place finish for Georgia 2008 (regular season did not count)

Top 10 not only 3 years in a row, but # 4 All-Time Fulmer Cup.

Way to go Coach Richt.

We are actually slightly ahead of our usual standards in the Coach Richt Era getting Arrested / Suspended this being May 28, 2010 with UGA already # 6 for this 2010 Season (to-date.)

And, of course, we lead The SEC.

While we are # 9 in The SEC in Graduation Rates football 2010 NCAA study.

I do appreciate you asking for URL Links, available upon request.

Especially I like when you say I made it up and cite exactly specifically what you state it is that I did make up.

Since The Good Lord knows, I cannot make up NOTHING. (I would say something else.) I have no imagination.

40 Arrests / Suspensions since February 2007, last 3 years

I loved that one with 2 of you saying I made that up.

Have fun with that URL Link ?

And, then there was RED DOG 77 who stated this morning at 2 am May 28, 2010 that Coach Richt’s 9-Year Era here at UGA is the MOST SUCCESSFUL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF UGA FOOTBALL

When BOTH Wally Butts and Vince Dooley had BETTER 9-Year Stretches themselves.

They NEITHER were # 9 in the SEC in NCAA Graduation Rates either.

Nor, # 4 All-Time in Fulmer Cup.

And, you said I could not provide you PROOF that UGA Football is one of the worst in the nation at Arrests / Suspensions.

I have provided with Fulmer Cup now, twice URL Links proving that since the 1st proof was the article in the Orlando newspapers with UGA the dead last worst listed, which included such schools notorious in this blog for Arrests / Suspensions such as Florida Crocodiles, Tennessee vols, and Florida State Creminoles. By the way, UGA was WORSE than ALL of them.

By the way,

We got us a new


since we are


Anonymous said...

While I would now and have repeatedly stated here that Coach Richt is NOT on any HOT SEAT.

The article URL Link provided in comments here just now above shows that Coach Richt is




You have to be fair about this.

Coach Richt has built up in his 1st 5 years here much success.

It is the last 4 years and now this 5th year of the 2nd 5 years that has been a total utter disaster.

1. Fired entire defensive coaching staff except for recruiting coordinator

2. Fire entire special teams coaching staff

3. Announced 3 weeks ago that he, Coach Richt, was taking over control of the offensive coaching staff sitting in on all meetings, play-calling, depth chart issues which have been so glaring the last 4 years now on offense at every position across the board on offense.

If I were to step back, I would say that with

4 losses 2006 no QB prepared
5 losses 2009 no QB prepared
3 losses 2010 no QB prepared ? 4 ?

14 losses 38 wins last 4 years

# 19 in the nation last 4 years 38-14


Damon Evans VERY CLEARLY stating that we are NOT DOING WELL and MUST DO BETTER

Damon Evans said that he felt it was important for him to STATE THIS IN PUBLIC that WE ARE NOT DOING WELL


10-10 vs SEC East last 4 years
10-11 last 5 years if lose game 2

# 9 SEC football graduation rates

# 4 All-Time Fulmer Cup Standings
Coach Richt Era

40 Arrests / Suspensions since February 2007, three years

2-7 vs Florida

1-3 vs 4 lousy vols' teams last 4 years

1-3 vs Timmy Tebow

The latest article you cite has every coach in America listed.

ESPN does shape opinion

It IS what they do.



That pretty much is where we are.

We fired Jim Donnan for 13 losses his last 4 years here.

Coach Richt has 14 losses his last 4 years here.

8 losses 3 wins vs Top 10 Final AP Poll teams Coach Richt Era total.

8 more losses NOT Top 25 Final AP Poll teams Coach Richt Era total.

5 of those NOT Top 25 Final AP Poll teams Coach Richt Era are against The SEC East just the last 4 years.

The problem is on OFFENSE.

# 96 average last 4 yrs NCAA Penalties
21 fumbles average last 4 yrs
14 interceptions average last 4 yrs

# 52 Total Offense on the Average ALL 9 years of Coach Richt Era to-date is very poor.

This stubborn move of KEEPING MIKE BOBO

will be the ONLY REASON why Coach Richt is on the BUBBLE

But, he just might be.

I wish he were NOT.

But, I for one am totally NOT HAPPY.

In case you missed that or found it not immediately obvious in a quiet unassuming low-key modest unobtrusive fashion on my part somehow unknown to me.

Anonymous said...

AJ Houston Glenn Boykin Jones King Aron Rambo Williams Jakar Dowtin Cornelius Tyson quite the list of not the 14 seniors all starters leaving after this season but all the OTHERS who might too. How many of these are not starters. We have a hard season after this season losing all this, if just only the first 4 leave with the 14 seniors and all of them starters.

“fair to say there's a real problem with behavior on Georgia's football team”

“that needs to be addressed and resolved rather than simply explained”

When the Orlando Sentinel says that UGA has more Arrested / Suspended than all the schools they studied.

When the Fulmer Cup starting 2006 has UGA the # 5 worst in Arrests / Suspensions

When there have been David Hale says 39 ( not counting 2 Guilty pleas Zach Mettenberger on May 3 earlier this month bombshell ? ) since February 2007 during which time there were 160 players, folks


Are we allowed to discuss gangs in this blog ?

And, please note that this is the # 9 worst team in SEC in Football Graduation Rates latest 2010 NCAA study.

And, this is please note the same group who ON THE FIELD average the last 4 years now in a row # 96 in NCAA Penalties.

21 fumbles a year and 14 interceptions a year the last 4 years


sorry bout that

I sit here like everyone else and read it once a month EVERY MONTH for the entire 9-Year Coach Richt Era.

8 losses to not Top 25 Final AP Poll teams Coach Richt Era

8 losses only 3 wins Top 10 Final AP Poll teams Coach Richt Era

Discipline ?

Dedication ?

I am a bad guy for saying it; I don’t think so. I know not. And, it has much to do with the discussion of hot seat.

That and the sorry offense.

Our offense cannot line up and run a play like they have practiced it and know it.

They get Penalties.

When they do, run the play without a penalty, you are surprised and look around for the flag, and on that play could have had another called.

Even then, they fumble or throw an interception.

Make all the excuses you want to.

Say what you want about my mama.

Make up all the lies about how great Coach Richt is actually doing, especially vs The SEC East.

Discount “stats” you call them that 39 David Hale says Arrested / Suspended since just February 2007 while for the last 4 years we are # 19 in the nation in wins at 38-14, but these are not stats – they are what is called won / lost record.

We don’t beat the really good teams in the Coach Richt Era.

We don’t beat the really bad teams in the Coach Richt Era.

We LOSE to both.

14-game seasons and daily I see posts that we were “ONLY 8-5 last year get a grip son, that’s not that bad.”

I am not saying that UGA should beat Florida every year, the vols every year either. But, even when Florida wasn’t good, they beat Coach Richt’s coaching staff and players. And, even when the vols weren’t very good, they beat Coach Richt’s coaching staff and players.

Anonymous said...

This is our own division of our own conference.

If we cannot compete in this division, we should be ones taking advantage of the turmoil nationwide today about the failed expansion of the ACC which was doomed from the beginning and who gets whom from that lousy conference and what can be done to make the Big East a proper conference too, neither of which are up to standard. And, just leave the division we are in. If you are satisfied winning 3 games the last 2 decades against Florida. If you want so much to go get drunk in that God Forsaken Hell Hole of a city Jacksonville, just put the boys in that hole walking in to that stadium 45 minutes from their campus formerly named the Gator Bowl.

If you give up

If you are satisfied

If you don’t care

If you think you must blog on about how great we are so we get recruits

So you dispel all the national media about the perceptions of this



Now this season with no QB prepared for the 3rd time since 2006

14-game seasons and we average 9 and a half wins the last 4 years with no hope of anyone posting that we will be better than 10-3 or 9-4 this up-coming season.

If you DISREGARD the president and athletics director BOTH stating that they


If you somehow MISSED all that

With your rose-colored glasses you prefer to view the world

If you DENY


The fans in Sanford Stadium



If this is what


Out of a football program

Maybe you are RIGHT.

I should have graduated from a different University.

I should NOT have WASTED MY MONIES on MEANINGLESS football HOME GAMES season tickets

Wasted my hard-earned monies on MEANINGLESS BOWL GAMES never beating a Top 10 Final AP Poll team in ANY bowl game ever in the Coach Richt Era.

Because something has to give.

Either I and the rest of the alumni with me, president, athletics director, players, former players yelling at the top of their lungs all of them, all the national media and even a great guy like David Hale


Have to just shut up

Anonymous said...

So you can be happy in your ignorance and LIES that we are FLYING HIGH right now in football with Coach Richt to levels NEVER ACHIEVED in our 118 Year UGA Football History never mind that Vince Dooley won 78 percent of his games from 1980 to 1988 nine years, never mind that Wally Butts won 77 percent of his games from 1940 to 1948 nine year, while Coach Richt has won LESS 76 percent of his games 9 years from 2001 to 2009. It has NOTHING to do with the fact that both Wally Butts and Vince Dooley BOTH have 2 National Championships EACH while Coach Richt has -0-. It is in fact a LIE that the Coach Richt Era is BETTER than Wally Butts from 1940 to 1948 and it is a LIE that the Coach Richt Era is BETTER than Vince Dooley from 1980 to 1988.

It’s a LIE.

Coach Richt is not a good coach in hiring a coaching staff. If he were he would not have fired his entire defensive coaching staff but 1 and he would not have fired his entire special teams coaching staff and he would not have announced earlier this month that he is TAKING OVER THE OFFENSE from the sorry lot of offensive coaching staff he has STILL all coaching at positions they NEVER PLAYED in the ARENA.

I love the stubborn guy, but damn it, something has to give. Mike Bobo should have been fired, and Coach Richt KNOWS IT. He told you that 3 weeks ago.

If Coach Richt LOSES this cushy $ 3 million dollar a year job, it will be because he has in his first 9 years here hired the single WORST coaching staff of EVERY football coach in the country, and still has the worst offensive coaching staff, all OUT OF POSITION. Their boneheaded decisions on personnel STINK. And, they CANNOT COACH. Not to mention, cannot evaluate talent well, and excuse me we are bringing in the wrong guys, and not just the wrong guys with our NFL Draft Picks FAR BETTER with the Jim Donnan recruits the first 5 years of the Coach Richt Era than the crap since a huge big drop-off, but this 2010 season we signed NO ONE in this state on offense, none.

David Hale, sir, ask the recruits why they ALL WENT SOMEWHERE ELSE, sir please David Hale ?

Sorry but we are in DECLINE and that is what your Athletics Director said. Now go blog how great we are and how in all of Damon Evans words he NEVER SAID Coach Richt is on the hot seat. Excuse me, he DID TOO. You CAN’T BE THAT STUPID to say that Damon Evans did not say that Coach Richt is on the HOT SEAT today. That is the hot seat definition what Damon Evans DID SAY. Instead of saying what he didn’t say, try reading his words. Hang on his words today. He said it is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the update. In the past, we've talked about the importance of a WR emerging as a counterpart to Green. Kind of like MoMass and Green two years ago. This spring it seems that several showed promise: TKing, Wooten, Durham, but none of these has clearly emerged to claim the position. Are we going to have someone at the other WR spot to take pressure off Green? Thanks.

Kathleen said...

I think you edited my e-mail to leave out the other drink: when he bashes Caleb King.

So if you count the "David Hale"s and the Caleb bashing, I think we're already up to 7 on the anonymous Drink! count this morning -- I am sad I left off the references to arrests, so let's include those in the game, too.

No mention of redshirting Knowshon, though. Bummer!

Kathleen said...

One more thing!

When he addresses by screen name someone he's arguing with who isn't even posting on this message board because it's just copied and pasted from the AJC board, then you have to drain whatever you're holding.

So what if it's coffee....!

Anonymous said...

David, I'm also a L&O junkie, and for me, it would be easier to list the characters that weren't my favorites instead of the ones who I liked. Detectives Fontana and Cassady, DA's Branch and Lewin, and ADA Southerlyn never seemed to mesh well as a team with their other partners, though they still did a good job overall.

Joeski said...

David, I'm afraid that you're going to have to start deleting the anonymous moron's posts... not only does he pointlessly ramble, he's also factually inaccurate.

Dooley's record from '80-'88:
83-21-4 for a winning percentage of .768

Richt's record:
90-27 for a winning percentage of .769

And of course, he fails to note that Dooley had put in 16 years previous to that stretch, and if you were to actually look at the first 9 years of his tenure (which would be a much more apt comparison to make), he went 73-32-5, for a winning percentage of .664, with no SEC championships. (oh, and he also states Dooley won two NCs... which he didn't.)

I won't even deign the Wally Butts reference, given the drastic difference in eras.

Seriously David, this schmuck really degrades the quality of your blog with his false statistics, his flawed knowledge of football, his nonsensical ramblings, and even his turgid style of writing. I hope to God he is also lying that he is an alum, because he certainly tarnishes the academic reputation of UGA, and I like my diploma to mean something.

Please start deleting this garbage.

Kathleen said...

Joeski I joke but I actually agree with you. There is so much inaccuracy and twisted information in his posts that it's mind-boggling. It's one thing to laugh about it elsewhere but it is disheartening here. I read this blog for objective information and to avoid the player bashing that's found in other places.

But if it's going to continue, then I think we should start collecting it and have an Anonymous (BuLLdawg) Troll post poetry-jam-style reading in Athens this fall.

South FL Dawg said...

That anonymous post was a lot more stuffed than your mailbag, David. Maybe it's time to do something about it.

Anonymous said...


You don't know how to calculate winning percentage. A tie is half a win.

Vince Dooley from 1980 to 1988 nine years was



85 wins out of 108 games

If you don't know how to calculate winning percentage, you should either use a URL Link such as to provide it to you, or at the very least have ALL your posts removed; right ?

You incorrectly corrected a perfectly correctly stated statement that BOTH Wally Butts and Vince Dooley had BETTER 9-year runs than Coach Richt.

90-27 even you can calculate


Have fun ignoring your lack of response. We all know you read it.

Kathleen said...


SOME organizations calculuate win percentages including a tie as half a win. Some don't. There's no point in insulting people who disagree with organizations that count a tie as half a win because it just makes it more apparent that you ignore anything that doesn't make Georgia, Coach Richt, the Bulldogs, the players, Athens, etc, etc, David Hale look clueless.

It's not universal, it's not an Eleventh Commandment, it's a methodology.

Please, David, can't we vote him off?

And really, anonymous, what kind of hell do you live in that you spend so much time in a place where you have to write such negativity all the time? Isn't it exhausing? Wouldn't you rather go someplace sunny and winning?

Anonymous said...


You speak as if you have great knowledge of how Vince Dooley's 1980 to 1988 nine year winning percentage can be calculated by various methodologies by various organizations.

That is a lie. It can be calculated by 2 points for a win and 1 point for a tie and 0 for a loss and divide by total games times 2. Or, it can be calculated by 1 point for a win and half a point for a tie and 0 for a loss and divide by total number of games.

If inaccuracy gets you booted dearie, you should be ousted by your own rules correct ?

I mean why dearie would you purposely state that Vince Dooley's 1980 to 1988 winning percentage can be calculated in any other way than

.787037 Vince Dooley 1980-1988 nine years

.7704081 Wally Butts 1940-1948 nine years

.7692307 Coach Richt 2001-2009 nine years

You already said you agreed with Joeski, Kathleen. Now, you are making up lies to support that decision that there is some other methodology by other organizations that would calculate Vince Dooley's winning percentage as instead .768 which is totally found less, completely inaccurate, a lie, not true, not provable, provided without URL Link, untrue.

By the way, while I like Coach Richt - just none of his coaching staff the entire 9 years - including the offensive coaching staff still stubbornly kept even though Coach Richt has announced in public that he is taking over all their responsibilities and his own as well, Coach Richt has NEVER beat a Top 10 Final AP Poll team in ANY bowl game ever. He does have a serious discipline problem, and # 9 in The SEC in Graduation Rates in latest 2010 NCAA release.

Can I ask why you would support a poster trying to put crap on 2 Hall of Fame University of Georgia Bulldogs' Head Coaches who had far better coaching staffs than Coach Richt has provided our men these 9 years ?

Both had Better Graduation Rates than # 9 in The SEC in football, and neither had this many discipline issues. They both also beat Top 10 Final AP Poll teams in bowl games.

Joeski also made some statement about the other coaches at UGA not having National Championships too, and while there are many organizations that do differ on that Kathleen, the Official NCAA Records Book lists all National Championships by all such organizations and Coach Richt has -0-.

1942 - Record: 11-1
Houlgate System
Poling System
Williamson System
Consensus National Championship by at least half the recognized polls

1946 - Record: 11-0
Williamson System

1966 - Record: 10-1
Massey Ratings

1968 - Record: 8-1-2

1980 - 12-0
Consensus National Championship by at least half the recognized polls

If you ask Joeski, he will tell you he made it up Kathleen. There is a bias here for Coach Richt by you Kathleen. I would like to understand it, please if it is not too much bother.

Anonymous said...

1-4 vs SEC East 2006 Vandie * lone win UGA
1-4 vs SEC East 2007 Vandie
2-3 vs SEC East 2008 Vandie
0-5 vs SEC East 2009 Vandie
4-16 vs SEC East Vandie last 4 years

2-3 vs SEC East 2006 Kentucky * besides UGA beat Vandie
1-4 vs SEC East 2007 Kentucky
0-5 vs SEC East 2008 Kentucky
2-3 vs SEC East 2009 Kentucky * besides UGA beat Vandie
5-15 vs SEC East Kentucky last 4 years

2-3 vs SEC East 2006 South Carolina
2-3 vs SEC East 2007 South Carolina * besides UGA beat KY
2-3 vs SEC East 2008 South Carolina
2-3 vs SEC East 2009 South Carolina
8-12 vs SEC East South Carolina last 4 years

1-4 vs SEC East 2006 Georgia * lost last 4 in row
3-2 vs SEC East 2007 Georgia * lost first 2 in a row 6 total
4-1 vs SEC East 2008 Georgia
2-3 vs SEC East 2009 Georgia * half last 4 yrs losing record
10-10 vs SEC East Georgia last 4 years not winning record

4-1 vs SEC East 2006 Tennessee
4-1 vs SEC East 2007 Tennessee
2-3 vs SEC East 2008 Tennessee
4-1 vs SEC East 2009 Tennessee
14-6 vs SEC East Tennessee last 4 years

5-0 vs SEC East 2006 Florida
4-1 vs SEC East 2007 Florida
5-0 vs SEC East 2008 Florida
5-0 vs SEC East 2009 Florida
19-1 vs SEC East Florida last 4 years

LOSSES by UGA last 4 years vs SEC East :

vols 2006 Final AP Poll Top 25 team # 25
crocodiles 2006 Final AP Poll Top 10 team # 1
*1 Vandie 2006 not ranked 4-8 Final AP Poll Top 25
*2 Kentucky 2006 not ranked 8-5 Final AP Poll Top 25
vols 2007 Final AP Poll Top 25 team # 12 lost 4 games
*3 South Carolina 2007 not ranked 6-6 no bowl Final AP Poll Top 25
crocodiles 2008 Final AP Poll Top 10 team # 1
crocodiles 2009 Final AP Poll Top 10 team # 3
*4 vols 2009 not ranked 7-6 Final AP Poll Top 25
*5 Kentucky 2009 not ranked 7-6 Final AP Poll Top 25

*Combined Record 32-31 of 5 not Top 25 Final AP Poll SEC East teams who beat UGA the last 4 years.



LOSSES vs Final AP Poll Top 25 SEC East teams last 4 years :

2006 lost to Florida Top 25 Final AP Poll team # 1 vols # 25
2007 lost to vols 4-Loss only Top 25 Final AP Poll team # 12
2008 lost to Florida only Top 25 Final AP Poll team # 1
2009 lost to Florida only Top 25 Final AP Poll team # 3

Lost to 5 ranked Final AP Poll Top 25 SEC East teams last 4 years.


WINS over Final AP Poll Top 25 SEC East teams last 4 years :
2006 NONE
**2007 only beat 4-Loss Florida as only ranked SEC East team beat
2008 NONE
2009 NONE

**In the last 4 years, the ONLY SEC East Win by UGA over a ranked Final AP Poll Top 25 team was 4-Loss Florida we beat in 2007, just after we had LOST 6 SEC East games in a ROW, 4 consecutively to end 2006 and 2 more in succession to begin 2007.

1-5 vs SEC East Ranked Top 25 teams last 4 years Coach Richt Era.

Out of 20 possibly SEC East Opponents, only 6 have been ranked in the Final AP Poll Top 25, and against those only 6, we have lost 5.

14 of the 20 SEC East Opponents for UGA the last 4 years have NOT been ranked in the Final AP Poll Top 25.

The SEC East has been absolutely horrible for good Opponents for UGA the last 4 years, yet we are a miserable 10-10 vs SEC East teams the last 4 years including 5 of the 10 losses to unranked non-Top 25 Final AP Poll teams with only 1 win the last 4 years against a Final AP Poll Top 25 SEC East opponent.

We have not been very good the last 4 years. We are not viewed as having been any good the last 4 years, we are # 19 in the nation at 38-14 the last 4 years and we have played against sorry opponents in The SEC East the last 4 years.

Please advise if you find any error herein. You have not found 1 yet.

ChicagoDawg said...

"Anonymous"...clearly UGA football brings you much anguish, disgust and disappointment. We get it. The question is this, why would you engage in such self defeating behavior? Man was endowed with a survival instinct, which typically propels them in a direction away from the suffering and pain that is inflicting all of the misery. It is obvious that you got cheated in this area and it is obvious that you are lacking that special someone in your life that cares about you and steps in to save you from yourself. Given that reality and my charitable sensibility I am pulling you aside, just you and I so don't feel embarrassed.

Psssts....seriously dude, you are douche, I trust that you didn’t set out to be one, but here we are and it is what it is. However, there is still time to pull yourself out of the abyss, but you have listen and listen closely. Go get a hobby, a job, a girlfriend, some porn, vodka or some other alternative to fill the void because you are in a death spiral and you come off as a real jack who could use a friend. Run, don’t walk.

Kathleen said...


There's no pro Richt bias, I am just pointing out that win percentage is, to some folks, a WIN percentage.

My problem with you is that you pick on players. You pick on them for injuries, for being short, for being slow, etc. These players are NOT paid adults. They are students who are still learning to play football. Or they are playing football to get through college.

And picking on a kid for an injury is just beyond reason and sanity. You take anything that a KID does and skew it to suit whatever you'd like it to mean, like Aron White's letter to the Red and Black.

When you pick on players personally then I do fall for your ruse of getting people to respond, because I feel like if I don't say anything then I'm complicit in agreeing with you.

Pick on coaches as much as you want, but when you single out players to attack it makes you look like a crazy old a**hole who is too coward to pick on folks his own age.

Makes me want to puke.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Look, Aron White started every game until Game 12 because he had all of 3 catches his freshman year.

He is SMALLER and SLOWER than Orson Charles, who by the way had 23 catches his freshman year by direct contrast.

Aron White drops passes.

Aron White is NO Orson Charles.

AFTER I had read it on AM680 the fan about Zach Mettenberger, there is Aron White, not writing a letter to Red & Black but DEFENDING ZACH METTENBERGER.

There were the WebPages Aron White front and center causing a rift between the players and the UGA Football Program, saying that what Zach Mettenberger did was not all that bad.

Guilty of 2 counts on Sexual abuse of a young lady, a student in college in this state, who was off work and in front of everyone, Zach Mettenberger did ALL THIS TO HER.

If you don't get it that Aron White is on my s list, pardon me.

Zach Mettenberger is on my s list.

As for injuries, Caleb King needs surgery. Instead, he goes out there and has 1 yard gained in the entire game. In the big games since he hit campus, he has DONE NOTHING.


Washaun Ealey should have been the Starter, not Caleb King, just as Orson Charles should have been over Aron White.

I get great satisfaction coming in here and telling you DISNYEDAWGS.COM posters that we lost 4 games 2006 without a QB prepared, 5 games 2009 without a QB prepared and what now for 2010 without a QB prepared ?

Aaron Murray is SMALL. Excuse me if you think that is picking on him. It is just as true as are my comments about Aron White and Caleb King. Caleb King has had MORE GAMES of 1 yard or less than any Running Back in the history of football.

4.7 in the 40-yard dash is NOT FAST. That is what DISNEYDAWGS.COM post about little Aaron Murray, who by the way will NEVER BEAT OUT Christian LeMay.

Aaron Murray is not ready. He was injured in high school and then last Fall, when he should have been practicing, instead MISSED 21 FALL PRACTICES because the coaches let him THROW HIS ARM OUT.

I think it is still sore.

Just admit it that you ARE TOTALLY SATISFIED being # 19 in the nation at 38-14 the last 4 years.

Not biased in favor of Coach Richt and STILL you sit there and have the unmitigated gall to defend that Coach Richt is better 2001 to 2009 than Vince Dooley 1980 to 1988 or Wally Butts 1940 to 1948.


This football program is in shambles because of the coaching staff Coach Richt hired for the entire 9 years.

We are # 9 in SEC in football graduation rates.

We are 10-10 vs. SEC East the last 4 years.

We have 21 fumbles a year and 14 interceptions a year average every year of the last 4 years.

We are 1-5 vs Ranked teams in the Top 25 Final AP Poll in the SEC East the last 4 years.

Excuse me if I want just a tad more than that. We have not beat 1 single solitary Top 10 Final AP Poll team in ANY bowl game in the entire Coach Richt Era.

David Hale said we have had 39 arrested / suspended since February 2007 a period of 3 years and 160 players. We demonstrate that ON THE FIELD with averaging # 96 in Penalties every year of the last 4 years.

I am NOT in this world to LIVE UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS Kathleen.


Randall said...

The players are compensated well for their services. Tuition,room, board, books,and tutors for 4 years comes out to a pretty penny. I'm sure one of the readers of this blog that is good with numbers and data gathering can come up with an acurate dollar amount. Maybe someone could comare their compensation with the hours they put in. Remember the 20 hour rule:)

Anonymous said...


I know this is late to the party, but I have been out of town all weekend.

Law & Order has had a tremendous impact on television as we know it. In fact, it might have been the most influential television program (non-culturally) of the last 30 years.

Dick Wolf (Exec. Producer) was a former advertising executive. After creating L&O, he set the model for "franchise" television. He was able to produce 20-25 weeks of 1 hour dramas in a cost effective way. The stories were entertaining, the ratings were good and it drove $$ into NBC pockets. The main characters were likable, engaging but ultimately interchangable/replacable (sort of like life.) The main cast was small and faceless guest actors brought the most drama. Some of the guest appeared again as different characters in different situations but it rarely mattered because they were inexpensive and anonymous enough that they were not typecast.

The storylines did not need to rely on big action sequences to move the story forward. Most stories were based on real-life headlines in some ways so they were easy to write. L&O inspired 3 or 4 spinoffs or "franchise extensions". It was the original "procedural" drama inspiring the CSI, Cold Case, etc featured prominently on CBS.

TV networks looked for ways to improve that $$$ model that L&O had developed and it was easy take the profitable elements of L&O - faceless actors, "ripped from the headlines gossipy stories", neatly wrapped up in a 40 minute framework each week - and turn it into the many cookie cutter "reality" programming on every network (especially cable.)