tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post1605045095814066044..comments2023-11-03T04:38:20.417-04:00Comments on BULLDOGS BLOG: The Logan Gray Paradox: You Only Need Him When You Need HimGeorgia Athleticshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00516202366071408182noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-3952853039539189582010-04-30T09:55:14.784-04:002010-04-30T09:55:14.784-04:00My references were to past writings and writer'...My references were to past writings and writer's references to favor Murray in the middle of competition. The end result was to proclaim Murray as THE QB and Logan was a failure. Logan's work and improvement were slightly mentioned whereas there was a great deal more to tout for him as was the case with Murray. Why don't you reverse the circumstances for the G-Day Game(and please spare us the approbation that this game is not the full body of work, it didn't matter, Murray had a bad day from normal, etc.)and just reverse the names in your writeups. Just try it. My intention here is not to promote Logan beyond what he has accomplished or to not say that Murray is undeserving. He is deserving. My point is that in your haste to prove your prediction, you trashed a good person and player during and right after competition. Logan comes out feeling like the 4th QB instead of a deserving 2nd that we would like to see on the field as well. Logan didn't attend the QB meetings regularly last year because we know that he was trying to make a difference elsewhere and it cost him the time you claim has been available for him to overcome Murray. I simply want a fair shake in the press for a loyal athlete who has endeavored. I've reread my posting and I see nowhere did I say that Logan should be the QB in place of Murray. My writing skills are poor, but nowhere does it say that Logan should be the starter at this time. You, Belue, Robinson, Coleman plus others (and now Bradley) have been on the Murray bandwagon and have accentuated his accomplishments. Many of us know those accomplishments and can't wait for him to QB this team. Logan Gray deserves the same, not in a promotional sense, but one of a complimentary sense. Your acclaims of "I told you so" don't have to lessen another player's accomplishments. Just switch the names and see how it reads. You are a good writer and you have proven in print that you are a caring and good person. Honing that position always helps. Receiving nothing but candy from your readers is a poor diet and tends to make you toothless as you grow older.Cojonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-27456804056167833152010-04-29T14:23:12.281-04:002010-04-29T14:23:12.281-04:00Cojones -- I'm sorry you see it that way, but ...Cojones -- I'm sorry you see it that way, but I make no apologies for how I wrote or reported any of this. The FACTS are that Logan is currently No. 2 on the depth chart, that there is a reason Aaron is ahead of him, that Aaron has been in the system two fewer years and is still ahead of him and that Logan is the one considering a transfer.<br /><br />If Logan had done anything to give me reason to report that he deserved to be ahead of Aaron, that's what I'd report. But right now, the facts don't support that story, and therefore I won't write it. It's no different than if I were to write that Abry Jones is ahead of Derrick Lott -- every bit of info we've gotten says it's true. That's what I have to write. If Logan wants to step up, then that's on him. It's not my job to be his cheerleader.<br /><br />And the difference between my post and Bradley's is that I'm saying IT DOES MATTER if Logan leaves.David Halehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02872368286061273646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-45623105469725700032010-04-29T14:07:19.123-04:002010-04-29T14:07:19.123-04:00I didn't count Anon's clicks above, but yo...I didn't count Anon's clicks above, but you wouldn't accept my 4,096 clicks yesterday where I said pretty much the same. I thought that your's and Bradley's column were insensitive to a fine player and person who strived and succeeded. Both of you gave Logan an undeserved kick in the teeth. Put yourself in Logan's place just once. Quit overreporting Aaron to the underreporting of Logan's exploits. Your writings of favoritism serve to take the competitive air out of players and the team. Both you and Bradley blithefully ignore that Logan may be the glue that may move this team better than Aaron since you say that passing isn't as important as running, therefore Aaron won't sit back and take the hit when he can just handoff to the running backs. So can Logan with the additional factor that he is mobile to avoid the tacklers in order to get a long ball off and/or can run with it. You both castrate your own words and meanings. <br /><br />David, you are much better than this as validated through your article on Robinson. Is it so hard to write as sensitively for Logan Gray? Everyone is also writing from a "using" standpoint for Gray. It denigrates him as a player and hurts him as a competitive person of great value to our team.Cojonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-39961748777357947292010-04-29T03:42:11.445-04:002010-04-29T03:42:11.445-04:00That is just so much junk you write Mark Bradley t...That is just so much junk you write Mark Bradley that all that matters is just only Aaron Murray. How can you discuss little Aaron Murray without getting to the nitty-gritty that in fact he is 4.7 in the 40-yard dash which is slow by SEC standards at 198 lbs and short, who in high school was tackled by a lineman and injured, and who once he got on campus here, threw his arm out. How could Aaron Murray have been the best in practice all season last year, when he MISSED 21 practices because he THREW HIS ARM OUT ?<br /><br />Matthew Stafford had 52 Interceptions and Fumbles in his 3 years here to only 52 Touchdown Passes.<br /><br />It is just this thinking that had no Quarterback prepared for the 2006 season, the 2009 season we had played only Matthew Stafford so again we had no QB prepared, and now the 2010 season we failed to play Logan Gray now in his 4th season here more than a grand total of 12 passes with 0 touchdowns and only 5 completions along with his 2 interceptions. 4 of those 5 completions came against Tennessee Tech and the lone other completion was in the vols blow-out 45-19 in which Joe Cox threw 34 passes for a grand total of 146 yards only and again 2 more interceptions for Joe Cox.<br /><br />We don't prepare Quarterbacks around here at all ever.<br /><br />Logan Gray runs to the press every chance he gets to whine about this horribly under-achieving offensive coaching staff and their every decision. Joe Tereshinski III is our Starting QB 2006 and Joe Cox # 2 with Matthew Stafford # 3. God Almighty.<br /><br />Joe Cox lost to Kentucky throwing only 12 completions out of 30 passes with 2 more interceptions. Every game Joe Cox threw more than 17 passes, he threw interceptions.<br /><br />For example, Joe Cox lost to 3 teams who combined lost 17 games last year while none of the 3 were ranked in the Top 25 Final AP Poll, Oklahoma State, Tennessee and Kentucky.<br /><br />Aaron Murray is not going through this SEC season without getting injured, it is what he does so small and slow. All 5 deeper type passes in the G-Day Game were overthrown, he threw another interception to end the 3 Scrimmages with more Interceptions than Touchdown Passes, and we fumbled the football 5 times in the G-Day Game, this while we witnessed no Penalties called for anything, including punching one of our own teammates for holding him down when he was tackled. Our problem on Offense the last 4 years has been to not develop our Quarterbacks and this alone has led us to 5 SEC East Losses just these last 4 years, none of the 5 of whom are ranked in the Top 25 Final AP Poll.<br /><br />Logan Gray is right and you are wrong again Mark Bradley that only Aaron Murray is all that matters for the next 4 years. Coach Richt and Mike Bobo have not done what is right for the TEAM, not preparing Quarterbacks to be ready to play around here. Now, of course, Logan Gray should do what IS best for the TEAM.<br /><br />After 14 Losses just these last 4 years, no SEC Championship Game appearance even since 2005 and this is now 2010, the last thought Coach Richt’s Offensive Coaching Staff who all should have been fired can entertain is that we can just call this team this year, a young team with 14 Seniors and 5 Juniors all starters who will leave after this season, and that therefore we can just chalk this year up go 9-4 or 10-3 in 14-game seasons nowadays and call it a rebuilding year. The rebuilding year is next year.<br /><br />David Hale, if you cannot say that Aaron Murray is injury-prone, I can. Why is it that Alabama and Florida with their great seasons last year COULD get a Quarterback prepared as back-up and here at UGA in a 5-Loss Season, we could not find the time to prepare a Quarterback AGAIN ? Logan Gray is right. You don’t know what Logan Gray or Zach Mettenberger might have done in the 5-Losses we suffered last year and 14-Losses now just the last 4 years here.<br /><br />I am sorry David Hale, but I agree with Logan Gray, and therefore disagree with Mark Bradley.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-66456930162844469112010-04-28T18:01:58.015-04:002010-04-28T18:01:58.015-04:00Georgia has routinely had some talented QB's, ...Georgia has routinely had some talented QB's, and I'm not sure they've always done great managing their QBs effectively. I don't think they've done too bad either. Stafford as a highly touted rookie was demoted to #3 (I think as a psychological ploy to get him more focused) in his freshmen pre-season year. Stafford seemed to respond and took the reins for good by the fourth game. Zach Mettenberger seemed to outperform statistically everyone this spring in the three scrimmages. Belue projected him as a co #1 with Murray, and other reputable sources said ZM had an NFL arm. ZM's demotion to #3 prior to his departure must not have gone over to well and now he is gone. He of course screwed up in Remerton several weeks earlier, but we may never know what the final straw was. However, ZM's gone now, which puts us in a predicament. However, it may also give ZM a chance to play somewhere else, and it may allow Georgia the chance to focus on the guy who has seemed to be the heir apparent (talent, maturity, knowledge, approach) all along.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-40572173083754865242010-04-28T16:14:26.710-04:002010-04-28T16:14:26.710-04:00Honestly Layton, I don't know what to make of ...Honestly Layton, I don't know what to make of it. But Richt will be available tomorrow for media, so I'll be asking directly.David Halehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02872368286061273646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-7705458964644015912010-04-28T15:52:35.634-04:002010-04-28T15:52:35.634-04:00And just to add to what I was just saying, do you ...And just to add to what I was just saying, do you get the feeling Richt really wants Gray to be his healthy backup quarterback, and just that?Jack of All Failshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09600569293656975338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-37392519157596136062010-04-28T15:50:31.653-04:002010-04-28T15:50:31.653-04:00Is Richt implying that Logan would unlikely be goo...Is Richt implying that Logan would unlikely be good enough to bump any of the other, established WRs out of their starting positions, and unlikely to jump ahead of younger guys currently competing?Jack of All Failshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09600569293656975338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-70265645389343034272010-04-28T15:49:04.865-04:002010-04-28T15:49:04.865-04:00First of all JTIII was a legacy, he was not a DI Q...First of all JTIII was a legacy, he was not a DI QB. Second, the too many good QB's for our own good started with Donnan. When QC came in we lost 2 QB's that played DI at other schools. Good QB's have big egos and want to play and play early. If you want to recruit them right you get one every other year so they are starting as true Jrs.<br /><br />Where the heck is Hines Ward when we need him, never has UGA had that good a player at each skill position. You need a RB, old Hines could run it. You want a WR that will block like a fullback and make circus catches, Hines could do it. QB, Not a problem, he started his first game against Alabama and ended up passing for a school record yardage in the bowl game. I'm sorry to go old school but where the heck are all the Hines Ward's now.UGA69Dawgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-28309387650884746392010-04-28T13:56:26.409-04:002010-04-28T13:56:26.409-04:00QB is a very tricky thing now, especially with sch...QB is a very tricky thing now, especially with scholarships down to 85 and the longer season. I don't like having 4 QBs on scholarship. However if you sign one every other year and they don't pan out you have problems look OU with Bomar and LSU with Perilou (sp? and I'm not looking it up).<br /><br />If you have 4 QBs you sacrifice depth at other positions. However with that depth as David said you can take weight off the QBs shoulders maybe not a SECCG trip but still respectable year. David rereading my 11:15 post I did not give you credit on that part of your article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-87531514716547424812010-04-28T13:47:39.203-04:002010-04-28T13:47:39.203-04:00David are other schools having to kick players off...David are other schools having to kick players off the team like uga?<br />like Al Au etc? can you do a article on this subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-44052537331270488572010-04-28T13:35:43.524-04:002010-04-28T13:35:43.524-04:00The Herschel Walker comment shows the lack of unde...The Herschel Walker comment shows the lack of understanding by you and/or some of our younger fans. Buck Belue was a very highly recruited qb out of Valdosta. He was a winner - didn't make mistakes and managed the game properly...and, yes, he made the throws when necessary. Herschel was unbelievable, but Belue doesn't get the credit he deserves for the tangible and intangible things he brought to that team. Can Murray do the same as a red-FR. Probably not, but I still think we are better than every team on our schedule this year with the exception of Florida...I'm counting that as a loss until we prove otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-20021101549066979832010-04-28T13:32:22.092-04:002010-04-28T13:32:22.092-04:00Here's my humble "never played the game i...Here's my humble "never played the game in college" idea: <br /><br />Richt to Logan, "We'd like to move you to WR as your primary position. Every week we'll have a QB package for you of 6-7 plays (half/half run-pass). You'll start off the game as a normal part of the WR rotation. At some point during the game you'll move over to QB for a play or two while we keep the same personel in the game (Murray will just slide to wide-out on those plays) therefore not telling everyone in the stadium that we're about have you run a "wildcat" running play. You also may line-up in the normal under center formation and hand the ball off or go through the regular "check with me" progression at the line. Therefore giving less of an idication of what type of play we might be about to run.<br /><br />I love Bobo but do wish we were a little less predictable on our "creative" stuff ... if that make sense ... like knowing that B Smith was PROBALY going to get the ball on some kind of reverse if he were in on offense, etcrevdawgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-35731305408801985082010-04-28T13:25:35.473-04:002010-04-28T13:25:35.473-04:00Wouldn't recruiting a 5 star QB every other ye...Wouldn't recruiting a 5 star QB every other year be ideal? Redshirt the first year and then start as a redshirt sophomore. Or if the incumbent QB leaves school a year early, the new QB starts as a redshirt freshman. We do seem to have a bit of odd QB recruiting timing. Is this the year to sign our top eschalon QB recruit (Lemay, presumeably). Seems like next year would be better to give him 2 years of grooming and 2 years to start for UGA after Murray Graduates. <br />Having Green and Shockey and Green overlapping was a mistake. I would have loved for Shockey to start at least one more year. And knowing you were going to graduate Shockey, there was no viable QB and we ended up starting Stafford as a true freshman?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-46253387301922202882010-04-28T13:07:22.686-04:002010-04-28T13:07:22.686-04:00At the end of the day, I think Richt will bite the...At the end of the day, I think Richt will bite the bullet and let Logan move to WR, if that is what will keep him in the program.<br /><br />Logan has 3 years of experience taking snaps within the program and would still be a viable option (more so than Bacarri) as a QB backup... whether as the 3rd string emergency or as #2 QB, depending on how Hutson progresses.<br /><br />Either way, having Logan still within the program leaves us much better off than banking on an unknown walk-on and a true Freshman as our primary QB backup options.Gov Milledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02824422427647497504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-23638092220330127282010-04-28T12:58:16.827-04:002010-04-28T12:58:16.827-04:00I think what put us in this QB conundrum was Mette...I think what put us in this QB conundrum was Mettenberger. Had he not gotten kicked off the team we would not have a QB problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-7726561273630676702010-04-28T12:42:51.643-04:002010-04-28T12:42:51.643-04:00I'm probably not the only one to figure that L...I'm probably not the only one to figure that Logan won't make any decisions before Friday, when we find out if he's likely to be ranked third next year behind another heralded 5-star recruit. <br /><br />Gray has earned the right to do whatever he wants, but I do hope he stays instead of strutting his stuff before 5,000 fans at some small-college venue. But whatever he does, we should be eternally grateful if, in fact, his noises about leaving the QB position led to the recruitment of Mason, who might spare us the ordeal of starting a walk-on against SEC competition. It would be extremely cool, of course, to win that way, but so would the spectacle of pigs flying.newdonkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09054316935370553151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-33016442235264986552010-04-28T12:38:18.421-04:002010-04-28T12:38:18.421-04:00I would love to say, "It doesn't matter h...I would love to say, "It doesn't matter how UGA's offense got into this position." But that would be a blatant lie. The thing about the current QB situation that really scares me is that isn't the 1st time UGA has been here in recent history (3rd by my count). Texas and Alabama are two programs that don't seem to have this problem at QB. Going back to Joe T., 3 times in such a short period of time is a trend. What type of planning are other programs doing that UGA isn't? Proper Preparation Prevents Piss Pore Performance! Coach Richt is an incredible coach and has an unbelievable track record with QBs and in almost no way is part of this problem. To me it seems like a recurring recruiting problem. David Hale, my question is this- What in your opinion does the UGA Football team need to do to avoid these situations at QB again (probably two more times if you look at recent history) in the next five years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-76636579156297407302010-04-28T12:01:52.356-04:002010-04-28T12:01:52.356-04:00Hairy Dawg is a costume ? WTH ??Hairy Dawg is a costume ? WTH ??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-80664051460436684102010-04-28T11:20:51.834-04:002010-04-28T11:20:51.834-04:00If Murray is really our guy but we want Gray to st...If Murray is really our guy but we want Gray to stay, I think we should allow Logan to play on the third series of each game like Shockley did (for different reasons). This will give Logan experience to fill in if necessary, if may induce him to stay, and it will limit the number of potential hits that Murray will have to take- reducing the odds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-86590556454509263132010-04-28T11:15:36.976-04:002010-04-28T11:15:36.976-04:00David,
You bring up the Tide's defense for ke...David,<br /><br />You bring up the Tide's defense for keeping scores low, which is in true, their defense was better than UGA's. However how many drives did Bama have that were 4+min compared to UGA. Bama's offense may not have had better yardage or points but they could handle the pressure of a game winning clock killing drive like UGA did under Greene.<br /><br />Also you did a great article on UGA's kick coverage which also lead to UGA giving up points. <br /><br />You also did plenty of #s topics. The stat I would like to see you post up is average length of time per position (how many minutes did the drive last on average). I have a feeling Bama would be one of the top teams. Bama opened up the both halfs in the SECCG with bone crushing, clock killing marches and the week before calmly march the ball down the field on Auburn to win the game knowing their was no 2nd chance with a national title shot on the line.<br /><br />Average time of possesion can be misleading if the other team gets the ball on 35 or better after a kick off or their on side of the field after a turnover. We all know how UGA did on turnover marging.<br /><br />My point every unit takes the blame for underachieving and ever unit takes credit in the wins. You can not ignore any phase of the game at this level.<br /><br />On Logan, transferring in D1 is more less out. I say move him to WR if he wants otherwise he is looking at dropping down a level if he wants playing time. I will say I was looking forward to Logan more so than Murray.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-87760327784403576812010-04-28T11:12:07.746-04:002010-04-28T11:12:07.746-04:00Regarding #5 (a target on Murray's back), let&...Regarding #5 (a target on Murray's back), let's just be glad Mr Spikes is no longer a college student. Aaron would have an appointment with an optometrist in October.erictheredandblackhttp://ericmccarty.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-18631900216766484722010-04-28T11:02:08.286-04:002010-04-28T11:02:08.286-04:00spot on #10.spot on #10.darylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-62632605353118656942010-04-28T10:57:45.105-04:002010-04-28T10:57:45.105-04:00I think the QB recruiting strategy is the biggest ...I think the QB recruiting strategy is the biggest issue here. A solid-top flight QB prospect needs to be signed every year to help guard against lack of depth issues. I know it is hard to get a 5-star QB every year once you have one on your roster who starts early in his career but the staff has to find a way to stagger depth at the position. Georgia's issue seems to be more a problem of clumping the quality QB signings together or having that result due to people red shirting.<br /><br />It is a hard problem to solve. Look at the run UGA has had siging Elite 11 QBs recently but we are still where we are now. If I remember correctly Stafford, Cox, Gray, Murray, and Mett were all Elite 11 QBs out of high school. You don't know how these kids will pan out talent wise, if they will get hurt, transfer, or get dismissed.j.leonardjrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10243093216034615348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6162716793249150680.post-34314435565885053102010-04-28T10:41:52.155-04:002010-04-28T10:41:52.155-04:00If Logan stays and moves to WR, isn't he just ...If Logan stays and moves to WR, isn't he just trying to copy what happened in the third season of Friday Night Lights?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com